Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

Cam wrote:If Ginnivan goes: the guy became a distraction through his crowd interaction and continual ducking/sliding motion aimed at drawing frees. Race day stuff was simply disrespectful.

If Ginnivan stays: has class, kicking accuracy and nous. If he knuckles down can play quite a few different positions.

Perfect… probably the clearest post in the last 8 pages of this thread. Seriously glad the club is run by Wrighty and co and not some here who want to prosecute petty gripes.

^ Wrighty has to play real hardball, with piss and poop, pick 33 is an insult. No way Jose. Dreamin. I still think he may stay.

In one way I'm not surprised with his decision as it's the most sensible one to make after the addition of Schultz.

On the other hand this is Ginni and I would have assumed he would have thrown sensibility out the window and remained at the biggest show in town.

I see however that he must have barracked for the Hawks as a kid and that probably explains their interest in part and the pull for him.

Still, we aren't a charity, he's contracted, he kicked 40 goals last year as a 19yo and has just been part of a Premiership team aged 20.

If they want him then give us your future second round pick.

If we get a second rounder we take it and run. I can’t see him being best 22 next season.

Players get injured, so seems silly to give him away for not much, unless the brains trust want him gone for whatever reason

burnsy17 wrote:I called it last week in the trade thread.

He was NEVER going to survive this trade period.

Fly is all funny and nice until he’s not.

Probably his greatest quality

Haff wrote:If we get a second rounder we take it and run. I can’t see him being best 22 next season.

Perish the thought, but what if Bobby or Jamie got injured , out for 6 weeks of sn,we need backup, and im not sure if ash Johnson is the answer.

IN ALL my yrs following the Magpies and footy, in general I can NEVER recall a player playing in a Premiership team, then a mere 3 weeks later, wants out, its just beyond ludicrous, ridiculous, its crazy, really, nuts, twilight zone stuff. How will he feel if we go back too back then ??

gurugeoff wrote:Players get injured, so seems silly to give him away for not much, unless the brains trust want him gone for whatever reason

You could put up with the trouble if he was kicking goals but he hasn't done that since the umps stop paying him free kicks, if he frees up enough money to go after some key defender depth and we get a pick that's probably a decent outcome rather than him in the Magoos or the headlines all next year.

Why Ginnivan has to go following the Schultz deal
By Jake Niall, WA Today, October 17, 2023

When Collingwood emerged victorious from one of the AFL’s greatest grand finals, Craig McRae acknowledged some displeasure with Jack Ginnivan’s decision to go the races on the night before the grand final. “Read the room, Jack,” said McRae, when asked if Ginnivan should have gone to the races. Just 16 days has passed since the grand final and this time Ginnivan has read the room. Unless there is another twist, he will be a Hawthorn player before the close of trades on Wednesday.

What Ginnivan has discerned is that the Magpies don’t want him in the room; certainly, he understands that the arrival of Lachie Schultz from Fremantle was a signal that he was no longer needed, and they were happy for him to explore his options - a reality communicated to Ginnivan and his management after the Schultz deal. The prospects of him being picked in Collingwood’s 23 had sharply declined once the Pies had snared Schultz. So, not long after his return from Bali, Ginnivan was in a meeting with Hawthorn, who had a contract offer in front of him.

Collingwood, meanwhile, had four small forwards - Schultz, Bobby Hill, Beau McCreery and Jamie Elliott - in front of him. So, Ginnivan has summed up his situation well. If he hasn’t always taken advice on board in the past in his short career, this time he’s taken the hint. He had little choice but to accept a) Collingwood don’t really want him, b) that the Hawks do want him, c) he will play more games in brown and gold than he would in black and white next year. So, he has to leave.

Ginnivan is a talented footballer who also has a gift for turbulence. The incident in which he was filmed with an illicit substance in pre-season put him offside with the Magpies from the outset of 2023, when he suffered a two-match suspension and invited unwanted scrutiny for himself and the club. He did remarkably well to get back into the team for the finals, all factors considered. Ginnivan is a smart player - his knack for milking frees for high contact (which dried up in the middle of 2022) and goal sense underscored his excellent game awareness. He is adored by much of the Magpie army, as a cheeky, in-your-face, artful Dodger-like character who also antagonises the opposition crowd. So his exit will be mourned by many in black and white, but the Pies have struck at the right time, given that they have that the premiership cup on the cabinet shelf and the fans will get over Ginnivan quickly, just as they got over Adam Treloar, Brodie Grundy and Jaidyn Stephenson.

The Pies paid a premium for Schultz, by giving up a future first-rounder, in what is arguably the most consequential player trade of 2023. Collingwood paid overs and have essentially gambled on returning to contention next year. If they finish top four and Schultz performs, the investment will be justified. If they slide down to outside the finals, as per Geelong this year, then the trade will really hurt - as it did when Rich ond gave up a future first for Jacob Hopper that turned into pick seven. Fremantle had to demand overs, in recognition that the Dockers have shed both Schultz and Liam Henry, without compensating with mature talent. They will have an excellent draft with three first rounders in 2024. The loss of that pair, however, could make finals in 2024 a harder ask for Justin Longmuir, who is entering his fifth season at the helm. Fremantle’s hierarchy must be mindful that their gains in the longer-term haven’t helped the senior coach’s immediate prospects. Fremantle also discovered how the trading of future first-rounders is a fraught exercise, the outcome hinging heavily on where one finishes the following year, given they fell to 14th and found that Luke Jackson was also costing them pick six.

But Collingwood’s sage football boss Graham Wright got plenty right in 2022, when he brought in Hill, Tom Mitchell, Daniel McStay (free agent) and Billy Frampton, all relatively inexpensive acquisitions in draft terms, while retaining a first-round selection. Who are we to question the Magpies on the purchase of an excellent small forward, or on the jettisoning of another who was a cult figure a matter of weeks ago? In comparison to those making the calls, to borrow from another (Sergeant) Schultz, I know nothing.

https://www.watoday.com.au/sport/afl/wh ... 5ed0v.html

Piesnchess wrote:Bloody thug Hawks nearly crippled Nick Daicos , missed weeks for us, cos of them, do we all forget that do we, a team of shits and thugs. Stuff em, we can never beat em at best of times, like this season, we lost, yet again, imagine them with Jack booting goals for the piss an poop, against us, in a Final ??? Tell em no, and pick 33 is a **** , get real. Tell em no dice. !!

As far as the latest reporting goes, Ginnivan (who grew up barracking for the Hawks) met with them today and has requested a trade. He doesn't want to face the heat in the kitchen with Shultz on board so I say get what we can for him. He's another Jadyn Stephenson. We should have played Johnny Noble in the GF not Ginnivan (who was so disrespectful to teammates he was out on the town the night before).

Piesnchess wrote: IN ALL my yrs following the Magpies and footy, in general I can NEVER recall a player playing in a Premiership team, then a mere 3 weeks later, wants out, its just beyond ludicrous, ridiculous, its crazy, really, nuts, twilight zone stuff. How will he feel if we go back too back then ??

He was extremely lucky to be picked and did nothing on the day except miss an easy goal that should have sealed the win earlier.

^ If Noble had played, our side would have been weakened. The Club knew that. That's why Ginnivan played and Noble didn't. You pick a team to win, not because of their endearing personal qualities.

Pies4shaw wrote:^ If Noble had played, our side would have been weakened. The Club knew that. That's why Ginnivan played and Noble didn't. You pick a team to win, not because of their endearing personal qualities.

in hindsight, as Ginnivan did not do much on the day, noble could not have done a lot less. Going forward, I don’t think Carmichael, Johnson and a few others would do a lot less than what ginnivan will do next year. (So I am now disagreeing with my previous post)

Piesnchess wrote:

Haff wrote:If we get a second rounder we take it and run. I can’t see him being best 22 next season.

Perish the thought, but what if Bobby or Jamie got injured , out for 6 weeks of sn,we need backup, and im not sure if ash Johnson is the answer.

IN ALL my yrs following the Magpies and footy, in general I can NEVER recall a player playing in a Premiership team, then a mere 3 weeks later, wants out, its just beyond ludicrous, ridiculous, its crazy, really, nuts, twilight zone stuff. How will he feel if we go back too back then ??

Harrison was an emergency for the GF and is real quick, we've nabbed the last 3 combine winners of the 20m sprint in McInnes, Allan and Harrison and there's been a decided push to step up pressure through speed, Ginny just doesn't fit that model but HH does.

Just quietly Aiden O'Driscoll (Perth) won it this year and tipped to go around pick 40, we've got pick 39.

Pies2016 wrote:

The Black and White Lion wrote:Josh Weddle thank you

Sadly, can’t happen. 2 year minimum for draftees. He was drafted last year.
They might ask about Grainger - Barras but the reality is you hardly ever see player only trades these days.

James Blanck is still rookie listed with the Hawks after 2 years.
I'll have to do a bit of digging, but can't a player walk / be eligible to be traded to a playing / full list contract if they've been on a rookie list after two years?

Regular viewers will recall he was the player that ran into Naicos in our R21 loss.