The not drafting or trading for James Stewart
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Can you please explain this?Dave The Man wrote:Well we got 3 1st Rounders instead of 1 if we had Nominated Stewartderkd wrote:Everyone needs to take a big deep breath... He has played one good game. Far too early to makes big calls on anyone Stewart or our players. Won't be able to call the winners or loser from this draft for five years. Till then it is all just opinion.
we don't eat our own at collingwood we just allow them to foul our nest.
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I'm getting deja va You sound like Hal!!!thompsoc wrote:Can you please explain this?Dave The Man wrote:Well we got 3 1st Rounders instead of 1 if we had Nominated Stewartderkd wrote:Everyone needs to take a big deep breath... He has played one good game. Far too early to makes big calls on anyone Stewart or our players. Won't be able to call the winners or loser from this draft for five years. Till then it is all just opinion.
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Not quite true. I think we traded for pick 39 which became 38. I think we needed to commit pick 42.thompsoc wrote:In 2012 we had 3 round 1 picks
If we offered up our 2nd round pick 38
we could have snared him.
This is the way I read it but I could be wrong.
So Hine did not rate him below pick 38.
Even accepting it as pick 38, I think passing on Stewart, in hindsight, was a fail. Ramsay looks quite good, but another promising tall on our list would have been far more valuable. We already have Broomhead, Kennedy, Sharenberg, Freeman, Langdon as smaller types in the last two years.
However, the reasoning that our pick situation was uncertain because we'd be active at the draft table, I think is a fair one. Maybe we would need to deal those later picks to get the first rounders we wanted. It might have meant missing out on one of Grundy, Broomhead or Kennedy. The selection then becomes more difficult, and I can understand us passing.
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Ive said previously that I think part of the reason Stewart was overlooked was Gault. Both similar types, Stewart maybe just a bit quicker, Gault a more promising ruck option, and Gault was already on the list. Sadly, his 2013 was crueled by OP and some other injury issues. Now he's fit, we may see if there was wisdom in that.
Gets back to my thoery, if in five years time Stewart is still running around at GWS (or another AFL club) and we have discarded one of our three first rounders then you would say 'yes' we missed our chance. however, if all of the above are still playing, then it is a win all round. either way we won't be able to say for a few years.
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Grundy is a given, didn't see jimmy Stewart play, but they were only playing the dogs! After watching broomhead the last few, gotta say thank The Lord we got him. Not only can he kick, he can kick straight, and he can kick goals. And with only half the team around him. He's not greedy, or grandstanding. Got a good head on him too decision wise. Said the very first time if saw him play, lock him up and throw away the key.
Kennedy going nicely too. Guess you can't have your cake and eat it.
Unless your sydneeee
Kennedy going nicely too. Guess you can't have your cake and eat it.
Unless your sydneeee
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You can nominate him and then not match a bid if you didnt think he was rated at the pick.AN_Inkling wrote:I think. Or hope, on what we've seen, that we'd have selected Stewart ahead of Ramsay. That's what would have been needed after all was done. GWS bid with 27, we take Stewart with our next pick at 38.
However, as Hine said, we had a lot of uncertainty about our picks in that draft as we were active at the trade table. Would we have pick 38? We just didn't know. If we'd committed to Stewart would one of our deals have fallen through? Would we have been forced to take Stewart ahead of Broomhead, Grundy or Kennedy? I think there was just too much risk involved.
Clearly Hine did NOT rate him, silly not to at least nominate whos to say with us nominating if gws would of bid with 27?
was a stuff up on clubs behalf.
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Too early to say its a stuff up however time may prove that to be true.loki04 wrote:You can nominate him and then not match a bid if you didnt think he was rated at the pick.AN_Inkling wrote:I think. Or hope, on what we've seen, that we'd have selected Stewart ahead of Ramsay. That's what would have been needed after all was done. GWS bid with 27, we take Stewart with our next pick at 38.
However, as Hine said, we had a lot of uncertainty about our picks in that draft as we were active at the trade table. Would we have pick 38? We just didn't know. If we'd committed to Stewart would one of our deals have fallen through? Would we have been forced to take Stewart ahead of Broomhead, Grundy or Kennedy? I think there was just too much risk involved.
Clearly Hine did NOT rate him, silly not to at least nominate whos to say with us nominating if gws would of bid with 27?
was a stuff up on clubs behalf.
Club would have gone to the draft with identified needs, clearly Stewart wasn't seen to match a need.
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Agree JW, did a couple of nice things and nice for him to get some reward for some good VFL form, but can't imagine he'd have gotten that chance if we had a full list to choose from. Hopefully he can go to the next level in 2015 and demand senior game time on weight of performances.John Wren wrote:it was ok. did a couple of good things.AN_Inkling wrote:Possibly. And I didn't see Stewart's game today, but Gault's debut was quite promising.jackcass wrote: Ive said previously that I think part of the reason Stewart was overlooked was Gault. Both similar types, Stewart maybe just a bit quicker, Gault a more promising ruck option, and Gault was already on the list. Sadly, his 2013 was crueled by OP and some other injury issues. Now he's fit, we may see if there was wisdom in that.
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So what you are saying is that we could have nominated himloki04 wrote:You can nominate him and then not match a bid if you didnt think he was rated at the pick.AN_Inkling wrote:I think. Or hope, on what we've seen, that we'd have selected Stewart ahead of Ramsay. That's what would have been needed after all was done. GWS bid with 27, we take Stewart with our next pick at 38.
However, as Hine said, we had a lot of uncertainty about our picks in that draft as we were active at the trade table. Would we have pick 38? We just didn't know. If we'd committed to Stewart would one of our deals have fallen through? Would we have been forced to take Stewart ahead of Broomhead, Grundy or Kennedy? I think there was just too much risk involved.
Clearly Hine did NOT rate him, silly not to at least nominate whos to say with us nominating if gws would of bid with 27?
was a stuff up on clubs behalf.
as a 2nd round pick and if gws nominated a prior second round pick
we then would have to match it with our 2nd round pick at this exact point.
in this case pick 27.
we don't eat our own at collingwood we just allow them to foul our nest.