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and this is all I have to go on in this instance.What'sinaname wrote:
Israel is warning people to leave Northern Gaza before incursion. Hamas attacked Israel without warning.
And you think Hamas are not terrorists.
exactly right, but whats the answer?swoop42 wrote:It was a far right Zionist who assassinated one of his fellow Jews, one who just happened to be Prime Minister and one who was putting them on the path to a possible two state solution.
That is an example of the length some on the Israeli side will go to to make sure no peace process can ever be successful.
Then of course we have the other extreme side of the coin.
No one denies what Hamas done was a disgrace, a war crime and deserves reprisal (and from what I can gather a number were subsequently killed in further confrontations with the IDF) the trouble is Hamas isn't the Palestinian people as a whole just as ISIS aren't the majority of Muslims.
While the world is right to reel in horror at the though of innocent Israeli men, women and children being slaughtered at the hands of an AK-47 so to should they at the thought of multiple missiles collapsing an apartment building without a word of warning.
Sure 1 or 5 Hamas members might have been inside or a stockpile of weapons stored but how about all the dead and as I write this slowly dying innocents who have little choice where they live (children no choice) or little option but comply if Hamas come knocking.
Bringing death has become to clean and clinical for those in the west and whether it be drones or smart missiles we can kill with a push of a button and watch it all unfold in real time on the other side of the world.
That is partly why our reaction is much more visceral when death is delivered by such old fashioned dirty means like the end of a gun or knife.
It's so much more personal and unlike a bomb the shame can't be hidden beneath a mountain of twisted metal and concrete.
People should care about the civilians on both sides (I feel empathy for individual IDF members also) and when seeing a little Palestinian child clearly traumatised in the coming days, weeks and months should feel the same amount of compassion for them as they do for those on the opposite side of the conflict.
I pity and fear for the press, aid workers, doctors and nurses caught in a bad situation that's about to get worse.
How do you know they are Jewish people?Magpietothemax wrote:Thousands rally in both Melbourne and Sydney in pro-Palestinian demonstrations. Wonderful photos of Jewish people in solidarity with Palestine attending as well.
Rally of thousands took place in Sydney despite the efforts of Minns to ban it.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-15/ ... /102966898
A 2021 study of the Australian public funded by Jewish media outlet Plus61J revealed that 62 per cent of the nearly 3500 respondents equally supported both Israelis and Palestinians, 11 per cent sided more with the Israelis and 19 per cent more with the Palestinians. Support for Palestinians was particularly pronounced among 18 to 24-year-olds.
These figures should worry the local Jewish establishment because they follow a trend similar to that seen in the United States over the last decade, with growing numbers of young Jews there turning against Israel. Former US president Donald Trump accelerated this movement both by uncritically backing Israel’s colonial project during his time in office and recently accusing American Jews of insufficient gratitude for his support of the Jewish state. A 2021 survey of American Jews found that 22 per cent of respondents agreed that “Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians” and 25 per cent that “Israel is an apartheid state”.
