Maynard incident > Maynard rule > Brayshaw retirement
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- Piesnchess
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IN 1977, Phil Carman smashed old Tuck in the head, Qual final, and got three weeks, both PF and 2 GFs, was far, far worse than what Bruzza did. Far worse. How the hell can Maynard change direction in mid air, he was trying to smother the ball, that is clear, its damn hard to change direction, in a split second. I reckon he gets one week, no more, if he does, we appeal, ala Carrrrlton, get a top KC, to speak eloquently and get it reduced to one week. Cripps nearly smashed a Lion into next yr, got off, Brownlow medal, so there you go.
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You must be kidding linking a tribunal outcome from 1977 to today... Its even a stretch to compare it to last year given the way the laws and interpretations change. Cripps shouldnt have got off (was only on a legal technicality) - the League stated this after it was all said and done.Piesnchess wrote:IN 1977, Phil Carman smashed old Tuck in the head, Qual final, and got three weeks, both PF and 2 GFs, was far, far worse than what Bruzza did. Far worse. How the hell can Maynard change direction in mid air, he was trying to smother the ball, that is clear, its damn hard to change direction, in a split second. I reckon he gets one week, no more, if he does, we appeal, ala Carrrrlton, get a top KC, to speak eloquently and get it reduced to one week. Cripps nearly smashed a Lion into next yr, got off, Brownlow medal, so there you go.
Also - he wont get one week. He'll get several or he will get off completely. Again, this is not a judiciary of 30 years ago.
I do agree, however, that we spend as much money as we need taking it as high up the legal ladder as we need to to get the man off (if charged - which I assume he will be).
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This will be unpopular with many, but here goes.think positive wrote:Typical gutter journalism. The chant started after their scum players attacked Maynard.Culprit wrote:I've read some BS in my lifetime but this takes the cake. https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/utter ... a64a7de0b6
We ALL stood and applauded Ashe left the ground.
I must admit, I felt uneasy hearing the chant as Brayshaw was assisted off the ground. There’s a time and place in my opinion, and that wasn’t the moment to do it even if it was triggered by other events around him.
More broadly, I worry that the Collingwood chant is becoming overused nowadays. It used to be brought out in very special moments but it seemed to become mainstreamed after the 2010 flag.
Being there, I can 100% back up that fans stood and applauded him as he was escorted out of the ground. That I can’t dispute.
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Dammo's take on it:
IF ...
Bruz is suspended for that hit on Brayshaw ...
THEN ...
the game's rules will need re-writing before the 2024 season. This is my take, and I realise there are polar others. Bruz jumped to smother a kick, and that was his sole intent. I'd love for the "independent" MRO to clear Bruz. But history says it will take the soft option and let other "independent" bodies determine his fate. And history says the "independent" Tribunal will agree with the MRO. Then we'll be off to the "independent" Appeals Board, which history also suggests will clear him. This sport is promoted as controlled-brutal. Accidents happen in controlled-brutal. Here's my outlook on the next six days: Bruz will go through the "system", and be given a one-match ban, allowing him to play in a Grand Final.
IF ...
Bruz is suspended for that hit on Brayshaw ...
THEN ...
the game's rules will need re-writing before the 2024 season. This is my take, and I realise there are polar others. Bruz jumped to smother a kick, and that was his sole intent. I'd love for the "independent" MRO to clear Bruz. But history says it will take the soft option and let other "independent" bodies determine his fate. And history says the "independent" Tribunal will agree with the MRO. Then we'll be off to the "independent" Appeals Board, which history also suggests will clear him. This sport is promoted as controlled-brutal. Accidents happen in controlled-brutal. Here's my outlook on the next six days: Bruz will go through the "system", and be given a one-match ban, allowing him to play in a Grand Final.
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The Pies will argue that Maynard could not have reasonably foreseen the incident and therefore it is not careless. When he launched to try to smother he could not have foreseen the possible impact.
You could probably put forward hundreds of occasions of someone jumping to try to smother a ball.
Here's the definition of Careless -
a Player will be careless if they breach their duty to take reasonable care to avoid acts which can be reasonably foreseen to result in a Reportable Offence.
You could probably put forward hundreds of occasions of someone jumping to try to smother a ball.
Here's the definition of Careless -
a Player will be careless if they breach their duty to take reasonable care to avoid acts which can be reasonably foreseen to result in a Reportable Offence.
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piffdog wrote:You must be kidding linking a tribunal outcome from 1977 to today... Its even a stretch to compare it to last year given the way the laws and interpretations change. Cripps shouldnt have got off (was only on a legal technicality) - the League stated this after it was all said and done.Piesnchess wrote:IN 1977, Phil Carman smashed old Tuck in the head, Qual final, and got three weeks, both PF and 2 GFs, was far, far worse than what Bruzza did. Far worse. How the hell can Maynard change direction in mid air, he was trying to smother the ball, that is clear, its damn hard to change direction, in a split second. I reckon he gets one week, no more, if he does, we appeal, ala Carrrrlton, get a top KC, to speak eloquently and get it reduced to one week. Cripps nearly smashed a Lion into next yr, got off, Brownlow medal, so there you go.
Also - he wont get one week. He'll get several or he will get off completely. Again, this is not a judiciary of 30 years ago.
I do agree, however, that we spend as much money as we need taking it as high up the legal ladder as we need to to get the man off (if charged - which I assume he will be).
Actually, I only meant Carmans intent was totally too knock Tuck out, nothing else, Bruzza had no such intent. Phil did get 3 weeks, which was pretty harsh even back then, missed TWO GFs. Had he played, we would have won easy, Barassi was rapt he was out. But, thats history, like when Cloke got suspended for a GF, for doing far less than what Hall did to an eagles player, we always get the dirty end of the stick, usually.
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oh i do agree with that, i wasn't happy with it either, i didn't chant. i also dont like the over use of it. it was more pointing out they are picking and choosing their print!Jezza wrote:This will be unpopular with many, but here goes.think positive wrote:Typical gutter journalism. The chant started after their scum players attacked Maynard.Culprit wrote:I've read some BS in my lifetime but this takes the cake. https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/utter ... a64a7de0b6
We ALL stood and applauded As he left the ground.
I must admit, I felt uneasy hearing the chant as Brayshaw was assisted off the ground. There’s a time and place in my opinion, and that wasn’t the moment to do it even if it was triggered by other events around him.
More broadly, I worry that the Collingwood chant is becoming overused nowadays. It used to be brought out in very special moments but it seemed to become mainstreamed after the 2010 flag.
Being there, I can 100% back up that fans stood and applauded him as he was escorted out of the ground. That I can’t dispute.
You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
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No the one week is not an option. Either he's cleared or its three weeks. That is simply the way it works. Once the guy you've hit gets concussed the starting option is three weeks if guilty. I fear the AFL have stamped him guilty.Piesnchess wrote:IN 1977, Phil Carman smashed old Tuck in the head, Qual final, and got three weeks, both PF and 2 GFs, was far, far worse than what Bruzza did. Far worse. How the hell can Maynard change direction in mid air, he was trying to smother the ball, that is clear, its damn hard to change direction, in a split second. I reckon he gets one week, no more, if he does, we appeal, ala Carrrrlton, get a top KC, to speak eloquently and get it reduced to one week. Cripps nearly smashed a Lion into next yr, got off, Brownlow medal, so there you go.
Geez Denis Banks' hit on Rhys-Jones would be a life sentence these days. I'm not kidding.
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All goodMr Miyagi wrote:Nah my last question wasn’t directed at you mate, just a rhetorical. And yeah agree with you. Hard to believe people get paid to write that crap
Yeah it’s boring and predictable to hear these articles surface. The hate runs deep.
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