The Voice vote:

[David]

[stui magpie]

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My dad had a saying, "It's like putting a poultice on a wooden leg". Meaning, it may not do any good but it won't do any harm.

[think positive]

More like it definitely won’t do any good, we don’t know if it will do any harm!

[stui magpie]

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Disagree mate. Can't do any harm, may well just do some good.

[Magpietothemax]

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Disagree mate. Can't do any harm, may well just do some good.

Will do plenty of harm. It is part of the Albanese government agenda to present the propaganda of a "unified country, black and white, blah blah blah" and promote the concept that we should all accept sacrifice for the benefit of the nation. We should all accept our living standards to be slashed, so that the wealthy can receive their tax cuts and so that the Australian military can be supplied with the extra offensive weaponry that the US government demands Australia should arm itself with in order to help prosecute a war with China.

[watt price tully]

you forgot judgemental

voting no doesn't mean someone is hostile or racist.

for the people i have spoken to its a trust issue. we simply don't trust we are getting the whole, or the ending story.

No, didn’t use the word judgemental because David’s post simply wasn’t.

[watt price tully]

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Disagree mate. Can't do any harm, may well just do some good.

Will do plenty of harm. It is part of the Albanese government agenda to present the propaganda of a "unified country, black and white, blah blah blah" and promote the concept that we should all accept sacrifice for the benefit of the nation. We should all accept our living standards to be slashed, so that the wealthy can receive their tax cuts and so that the Australian military can be supplied with the extra offensive weaponry that the US government demands Australia should arm itself with in order to help prosecute a war with China.

Disagree. We’re talking about the voice yes vote not the redistribution of wealth (which I support). This won’t hinder this in the slightest. The two are not mutually exclusive. Whether that will happen is another question but voting no won’t redistribute resources nor rebalance power either.

This is not related to AUKUS which is an utter waste of money and diminution of sovereignty.

[Magpietothemax]

^David
I am a Bob Dylan afficionado, yet had not heard before "Just a Pawn in their Game". Thanks for the link. However, I am not sure that the lyrics in this song support your argument however.
Racism exists, of course it does. But why? As you say, it is part of the deliberate strategy of the ruling class: "Divide and rule". What was the so called mission of the British colonialists? To "civilise the black man", and other inferior indigenous populations. The aboriginals in Australia were to the British ruling class a barrier to their seizure of the land, and hence they fomented the most violent racism among the most oppressed layers of society in colonial Australia (ex convicts etc) to assist them in their program of genocide.
Racism is one of many ideological mechanisms utilised by the ruling elite to prevent unified opposition to its domination of wealth and political power. Racism is consciously promoted, in many forms: openly by the most bigoted and obviously right wing elements, but also by the "lefts" who demand that they should be awarded privileges because of their skin colour. The ruling class is happy with both of these.

[Magpietothemax]

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Disagree mate. Can't do any harm, may well just do some good.

Will do plenty of harm. It is part of the Albanese government agenda to present the propaganda of a "unified country, black and white, blah blah blah" and promote the concept that we should all accept sacrifice for the benefit of the nation. We should all accept our living standards to be slashed, so that the wealthy can receive their tax cuts and so that the Australian military can be supplied with the extra offensive weaponry that the US government demands Australia should arm itself with in order to help prosecute a war with China.

Disagree. We’re talking about the voice yes vote not the redistribution of wealth (which I support). This won’t hinder this in the slightest. The two are not mutually exclusive. Whether that will happen is another question but voting no won’t redistribute resources nor rebalance power either.

This is not related to AUKUS which is an utter waste of money and diminution of sovereignty.

If you think that the Voice referendum is not connected to AUKUS and the alignment of the Albanese government with the US in its war drive against China, you are mistaken.
If you think that the Voice referendum is not about the entrenchment and intensification of social inequality in Australia, you are mistaken.
The Voice referendum is about cementing a privileged layer of black academics/business operators who claim to be defending the democratic and social rights of the Aboriginal population, but in reality will be doing deals with corporate Australia to exploit minerals and Aboriginal cheap labour. Their role is to cover up the Albanese government's total refusal to spend any money to address the desperate social misery that the majority of the Aboriginal population must endure in this country.
Finally, the Albanese government (like the Liberal government before it) is in a military alliance with the US, because the Australian capitalist economy depends massively on US financial investment. The US is openly publicising imminent war with china (within the next 2 or 3 years). The Albanese government is aware of the enormous opposition that this will incite within Australia. So the Voice referendum is a very important part of its propaganda in demanding that the population adhere to national unity, and support the "national interest". If the Voice referendum is passed, those who oppose the policy of the Albanese government can be portrayed as "wreckers", or even worse as "racists" who are sabotaging the unity between "whites and blacks".

[watt price tully]

Will do plenty of harm. It is part of the Albanese government agenda to present the propaganda of a "unified country, black and white, blah blah blah" and promote the concept that we should all accept sacrifice for the benefit of the nation. We should all accept our living standards to be slashed, so that the wealthy can receive their tax cuts and so that the Australian military can be supplied with the extra offensive weaponry that the US government demands Australia should arm itself with in order to help prosecute a war with China.

Disagree. We’re talking about the voice yes vote not the redistribution of wealth (which I support). This won’t hinder this in the slightest. The two are not mutually exclusive. Whether that will happen is another question but voting no won’t redistribute resources nor rebalance power either.

This is not related to AUKUS which is an utter waste of money and diminution of sovereignty.

If you think that the Voice referendum is not connected to AUKUS and the alignment of the Albanese government with the US in its war drive against China, you are mistaken.
If you think that the Voice referendum is not about the entrenchment and intensification of social inequality in Australia, you are mistaken.
The Voice referendum is about cementing a privileged layer of black academics/business operators who claim to be defending the democratic and social rights of the Aboriginal population, but in reality will be doing deals with corporate Australia to exploit minerals and Aboriginal cheap labour. Their role is to cover up the Albanese government's total refusal to spend any money to address the desperate social misery that the majority of the Aboriginal population must endure in this country.
Finally, the Albanese government (like the Liberal government before it) is in a military alliance with the US, because the Australian capitalist economy depends massively on US financial investment. The US is openly publicising imminent war with china (within the next 2 or 3 years). The Albanese government is aware of the enormous opposition that this will incite within Australia. So the Voice referendum is a very important part of its propaganda in demanding that the population adhere to national unity, and support the "national interest". If the Voice referendum is passed, those who oppose the policy of the Albanese government can be portrayed as "wreckers", or even worse as "racists" who are sabotaging the unity between "whites and blacks".

We’ll have to agree to disagree. I think you’re conflating a whole lot of issues together in a reductionist way but that’s your view point. The Voice is a start.
We need a meaningful treaty after this. Yes we are in a capitalist economy not breaking news just quietly. Voting against the voice will not change that one iota. The Voice may well assist in giving voice to how money and policies can provide practical assistance to First Nations people.

I think you’re seeing it in too binary a manner. Life is not either or. Life, indeed politics is much more complex than you’re suggesting.

[stui magpie]

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Disagree mate. Can't do any harm, may well just do some good.

Will do plenty of harm. It is part of the Albanese government agenda to present the propaganda of a "unified country, black and white, blah blah blah" and promote the concept that we should all accept sacrifice for the benefit of the nation. We should all accept our living standards to be slashed, so that the wealthy can receive their tax cuts and so that the Australian military can be supplied with the extra offensive weaponry that the US government demands Australia should arm itself with in order to help prosecute a war with China.

I think you should separate The Voice from the other stuff, It's not part of an overall agenda, frankly Albo isn't that smart. It is what it is and can do far more good than harm, IMO, if it get up.

[Magpietothemax]

I think you should separate The Voice from the other stuff, It's not part of an overall agenda, frankly Albo isn't that smart. It is what it is and can do far more good than harm, IMO, if it get up.

I agree, Albanese is not very smart.
But he is not relying on his own intellect.
He is receiving his instructions from political strategists of the ruling elite, who understand full well that every issue is interconnected in an overall class strategy aimed at suppressing working class opposition in every way possible to austerity measures and preparations for war.

[watt price tully]

[Magpietothemax]

[think positive]

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Disagree mate. Can't do any harm, may well just do some good.

i meant to the wooden leg!