Thinking ahead to 2023 draft...

[LaurieHolden]

According to Draft Central ~ https://www.draftguru.com.au/analysis/p ... comparison

Pick / Pick Range ~ Career Games Average

Pick 1 ~ 227.7
Pick 2 ~ 197.5
Picks 3 to 5 ~ 164.8
Picks 6 to 10 ~ 128.3
Picks 11 to 20 ~ 120.3
Picks 21 to 30 ~ 85.8
Picks 31 to 50 ~ 79.3
Picks 51 to 70 ~ 47.6
Later Picks ~ 40.4
Rookie Picks 1 to 10 ~ 46.7
Rookie Picks 11 to 30 ~ 36.9
Rookie Picks 31 to 50 ~ 34.5
Rookie Later Picks ~ 22.7

[Pies2016]

Just to clarify, we now go to the 2023 draft with our own first round pick, Carlton’s second round pick and our own fourth round pick. We have no third round selection to all on.
It was a good move to buy back into the second round of the 2023 draft and the benefits have probably been diluted amongst the players who were selected by the club. Well done by all involved in the night.

[prawnstar]

Just to clarify, we now go to the 2023 draft with our own first round pick, Carlton’s second round pick and our own fourth round pick. We have no third round selection to all on.
It was a good move to buy back into the second round of the 2023 draft and the benefits have probably been diluted amongst the players who were selected by the club. Well done by all involved in the night.

Another good reason to actively barrack against Carlton next year ... if anyone in here needed one.

[LaurieHolden]

Looking over the Draft / Trade periods over the past decade. Of the 99 players we have drafted / traded in, 39 remain. (unsure how that compares to other Clubs).
The following analyses how many games our most recent draftees / trades have fared over the past decade ~

Source ~ Draftguru

List Build Picture for Collingwood 2022
https://www.draftguru.com.au/lists/2022 ... wood/build

AFL Draft Seasons for Collingwood
https://www.draftguru.com.au/draft-seasons/collingwood

2021 4 players, 62 games 8 players drafted / traded, 8 remaining (Kreuger, Lipinski, N.Daicos, Draper, Murley (r), Harrison, Dean, Carmichael)
N.Daicos 25 games 7 goals debut
Lipinski 25 games 9 goals Traded from Western Bulldogs to Collingwood for #43
Carmichael 7 games 4 goals
Kreuger 5 games 4 goals
Harrison 0 games
Dean 0 games
Draper 0 games
Murley 0 games

2020, 8 players, 83 games 10 players drafted / traded, 5 remaining (Macrae, McInnes, Ginnivan, McCreery, Johnson, Begg)
Ginnivan 23 games 40 goals
McCreery 22 games 14 goals
Henry 15 games 21 goals 2022 Traded from Collingwood to Geelong for #25 + Mitchell (with #41 + #50)
Johnson 9 games 15 goals
McInnes 6 games 3 goals
Begg 3 games 0 goals
Macrae 2 games 0 goals
Chugg 2 games 0 goals debut & delisted
Poulter 1 game 0 goals delisted
McMahon 0 games delisted

2019 3 players, 38 games 5 players drafted / traded, 3 remaining (Cameron, Bianco, Ruscoe)
Bianco 10 games 1 goal
Ruscoe 4 games 0 goals
Cameron 24 games 20 goals 2019 Traded from Sydney to Collingwood for #56 (with #62)

2018 3 players, 61 games 9 players drafted / traded, 4 remaining (Noble, Wilson (r), Quaynor, Kelly)
Quaynor 24 games 2 goals
Noble 25 games 0 goals
Madgen 9 games 1 goal delisted
Wilson 3 games 2 goals
Kelly 0 games
Keane 0 games delisted

2017 3 players, 50 games 7 players drafted / traded, 2 remaining (Murphy, Mihocek)
Murphy 16 games 0 goals
Mihocek 23 games 41 goals
T.Brown 11 games 2 goals delisted

2016 2 players, 45 games 12 players drafted / traded, 2 remaining (J.Daicos, WHE)
J.Daicos 25 games 15 goals
Hoskin-Elliott 24 games 14 goals 2016 Traded from Greater Western Sydney to Collingwood for #2017R2 (Collingwood)
C.Brown 6 games 1 goal de-listed

2015 1 player, 24 games 10 players drafted / traded, 1 remaining (Howe)
Howe 24 games 1 goal

2014 5 players, 109 games 10 players drafted / traded, 5 remaining (Crisp, JDG, Moore, Maynard, Cox)
Crisp 25 games 12 goals 2014 Traded from Brisbane to Collingwood for #67 + Beams (with #5 + #25)
Moore 24 games 2 goals
Maynard 23 games 1 goal
De Goey 19 games 18 goals
Cox 18 games 7 goals

2013 1 player, 18 games 8 players drafted / traded, 1 remaining (T.Adams)
Adams 18 games 2 goals 2013 Traded from Greater Western Sydney to Collingwood for Shaw

2012 1 player, 6 games 10 players drafted / traded, none remaining
Grundy, 6 games 2 goals 2022 Traded from Collingwood to Melbourne for #27

2011 1 player 19 games 10 players drafted / traded, 1 remaining (J.Elliot)
Elliott 19 games 28 goals

[Hitchhiker]

Tend to agree. While it would be nice to have a stronger hand in the 2023 draft, if we were to trade out of this year, we would then be left with having to still draft in three players as a min with pick 16 > a third rounder ( #< 51 ) and a fourth rounder in a speculative draft. Point being, youve got to give something up to get something back.
It might be better to see how the possible draft order for 2023 looks in 12 months time and then for the club to strategise how best to obtain those picks when that time comes around.

Does the 3 pick minimum rule still exist? I noticed GC only made one selection this year and I think the Tigers only made 2

[gurugeoff]

quite a few gremlins in those stats

Carmichael - 2017?
Noble - 2015?

[Brown26]

Tend to agree. While it would be nice to have a stronger hand in the 2023 draft, if we were to trade out of this year, we would then be left with having to still draft in three players as a min with pick 16 > a third rounder ( #< 51 ) and a fourth rounder in a speculative draft. Point being, youve got to give something up to get something back.
It might be better to see how the possible draft order for 2023 looks in 12 months time and then for the club to strategise how best to obtain those picks when that time comes around.

Does the 3 pick minimum rule still exist? I noticed GC only made one selection this year and I think the Tigers only made 2

Might be three list changes - not necessarily draft picks

- Ben

[Brown26]

Just to clarify, we now go to the 2023 draft with our own first round pick, Carlton’s second round pick and our own fourth round pick. We have no third round selection to all on.
It was a good move to buy back into the second round of the 2023 draft and the benefits have probably been diluted amongst the players who were selected by the club. Well done by all involved in the night.

Another good reason to actively barrack against Carlton next year ... if anyone in here needed one.

Of all the reasons to barrack against Carlton, getting a slightly higher draft pick is quite low on the list actually... scum...

- Ben

[inxs88]

This trade while in some respects logical that we wanted to get a second round pick back for the 2023 Draft, did seem on the surface though "unders". When you defer a pick and instant gratification of a player that would otherwise be drafted and playing next year until essentially 2024, normally the trading club asks for an extra sweetener.

If Carlton finish 5th and above next year which is more than probable, we are essentially giving pick 30 (2022) for pick 31-35 (in 2023) with no added kicker. Yes, the 2023 depth of players in said draft may be better but it's another case where I think we got rolled and should have asked for a 3rd round pick from the Blues in 2023.

Thoughts?

[RudeBoy]

None of us are privy to what may have been sought or offered in the dealings with other clubs. I'm sure we got the best deal available. Remember, we were very keen to get a 2nd round pick next year, which leads me to think we've got a player in mind, or else we are planning on bundling some picks together to get a much earlier pick. Only time will tell if our strategy works out, but I've got confidence in our recruiting team's ability to maximise the benefits to our club.

[Presti35]

Early call.

If we didnt want to recruit anyone that was around, then why not trade it?

Im happy with the call, and we'll see what pick it ends up becoming next year. More assets to trade if need be, or to use to draft a player we want.

[Presti35]

Of course, if the kid that Carlton drafted becomes a good player, then we'll hear about it for the next 15 years.

[inxs88]

The point being did we get "unders"?

[Boot]

Another good reason to hope that Carlton have a miserable year next season. Not that I need any other reasons for that hope to come true!

[Pebbles Rocks]

Next years draft is widely considered to be much stronger than this years draft.
I think it was a good trade.