Pies4shaw wrote:^ You're completely missing 2016's point. Driving laws were broken - many and varied - and some that carry the risk of a prison term. 2016 wasn't posing an "analogy" - the premise was an uncontroversial, known fact.
No, you're completely missing my point, but that might be because I misunderstood exactly what Pies2016 was asking and was in fact making a different point to what you had in mind.
To recap, I meant no laws were broken in the Bali case as opposed to the driving cases, so the analogy doesn't hold. Road safety laws exist to protect people from death and injury, so you need those laws, as well as laws that proscribe driving when you have a condition that interferes with safe driving. But in the Bali case, no laws were broken and no one was put in danger or at risk of injury or death.
So, in the Bali case, you're showing empathy for someone who has done nothing wrong but been dumb, attracting bizarrely hysterical opprobrium, leading to merciless bullying and harrassment, and then horrifying public humiliation by people who knew he had a condition and ought to have known its relationship with rejection sensitivity and heightened suicide risk.
In the driving cases, which happened prior to diagnosis, to be consistent you presumably would have the same attitude as you would towards anyone who breaks road laws.
So, if Pies2016 was making an analogy between Jordy's driving infractions and the Bali incident, the analogy fails in no uncertain terms. Assuming road laws are sensible, and I for one think they are, no matter how much empathy you have you still don't want people dying or getting injured, because you also have empathy for them.
On the other hand, if that's not what Pies2016 is asking, and instead he's getting at the far more complex question of free will and the notion of 'blame' as it pertains to ADHD or similar conditions that affect decision making, that is going to balloon out into a massive thread on neurology, consciousness, philosophy and law as it pertains thereto.
Pies2016, can you clarify what you were asking or saying, exactly? I responded because you asked someone who knows a bit about ADHD to respond.