#38 Jeremy Howe

[SwansWay]

I'm truly excited about landing Howe. I think he'll look like a completely different player at the Pies. I've always seen him as a potential Gunston type, so it's nice that we may have some serious fire power up forward in 2016.

[HAL]

Do you like to "go with the flow"?

[MightyMagpie]

[Piesnchess]

SO, i take it Howe is now a Magpie ? done and dusted then ? Gee, one whole week,and we got one player so far, yeah, thats reassuring isnt it. !

[jackcass]

SO, i take it Howe is now a Magpie ? done and dusted then ? Gee, one whole week,and we got one player so far, yeah, thats reassuring isnt it. !

To date there has been 7 trades completed and lodged by the AFL... just saying

[King Malta]

[Piesnchess]

SO, i take it Howe is now a Magpie ? done and dusted then ? Gee, one whole week,and we got one player so far, yeah, thats reassuring isnt it. !

To date there has been 7 trades completed and lodged by the AFL... just saying

Ummm, i did mean for the Pies only, actually. Listening to jon faine and peter gordon this morning, both reckon the cats and hawks are again building dynasties, yet again, that cannot be challenged. Both have won seven out of the last nine premierships, and the melody lingers on, it seems.

[The Prototype]

"Anyone who is not cross-eyed or bandy-legged could be a top player in the T..S..L"

I think the TSL is probably his level.
How did he go down there in the Finals ?
Maybe he is a big-game specialist

Despite the poor crowds the TSL isn't really that bad, AFL Tasmania has made a meal of things of course, but the states talent isn't really that bad. Some haven't really made the big jump to the AFL as some had hoped but a few have. Tim Mohr seemed to be fine for GWS, Lachie Weller, Mav Weller, Aaron Hall have been good for their sides.

During his tenure at Hobart he didn't play finals, as Hobart were one of the weaker sides in the competition before they were forced out in a hostile merger that went wrong.

However, Howe played some good games during a lean period for the Tigers, against some of the better sides he always managed a couple of goals and a good mark. He was pretty good at junior level, clubs around the southern region were quite interest in him.

It was said he was forced to leave Dodges Ferry to even have a chance of going to the AFL, or playing for the Mariners. He did fine stepping up from the SFL which is below the TSL and did well in the state league.

[Dr Pie]

While I am confident Melbourne will back down and trade Howe for Kennedy and possibly a late pick, if they continue this nonsense with Gold Coast, Collingwood should get legal advice for Howe about a challenge under restraint of trade legislation. The threat alone should be enough to get the AFL to lean on the Demons and force them to back down.

I am a sports historian not a lawyer so my knowledge of restraint of trade legislation is based on the Foschini case in 1983 and the Tutty case (Rugby League) in 1979. The law may well have changed since then so I would welcome any criticism or updated information from Legal Nicksters but as I understood Crockett's judgement on Foschini Melbourne cannot force Howe to go Gold Coast rather than Collingwood against his wishes.

This won't happen. While a challenge under restraint of trade would probably be successful it would also invalidate the entire draft/trade system. At present this system exists due all involved (players/clubs) agreeing to abide by it. It just takes one person. One players took down the entire transfer system in world football (Bossman) in the early 90's, similar this could happen here if someone decides to challenge.

This trade will happen (if the player involved is satisfied), just like Beams deal happened, just like the Tippet deal happened and countless other deals.

That was my point, Makri. Precisely because it just takes one person, if Howe threatened to challenge under restraint of trade, the AFL would place Melbourne under enormous pressure to transfer Howe to Collingwood rather than risk losing their whole player transfer system in a negative court ruling.

Ten years before Bossman it only took one club president, Lindsay Fox, to bring down the entire zoning system, which had existed since 1915. For the preceding decade the VFL Clubs had an agreement to keep all player movements out of court. Then St Kilda president Fox broke ranks and backed Silvio Foschini and Paul Morwood in their attempts to move from Sydney to St Kilda. As you said Makri, it only takes one person.

[jackcass]

SO, i take it Howe is now a Magpie ? done and dusted then ? Gee, one whole week,and we got one player so far, yeah, thats reassuring isnt it. !

To date there has been 7 trades completed and lodged by the AFL... just saying

Ummm, i did mean for the Pies only, actually. Listening to jon faine and peter gordon this morning, both reckon the cats and hawks are again building dynasties, yet again, that cannot be challenged. Both have won seven out of the last nine premierships, and the melody lingers on, it seems.

Yep, realise that, just noting that (at the time of posting) only 7 trades had been completed so it's not like there has been a tsunami of trades and we're missing out. And there is still 6 days of the trade period after today. I'm just not understanding the need for all the drama and hysteria.

[makri]

While I am confident Melbourne will back down and trade Howe for Kennedy and possibly a late pick, if they continue this nonsense with Gold Coast, Collingwood should get legal advice for Howe about a challenge under restraint of trade legislation. The threat alone should be enough to get the AFL to lean on the Demons and force them to back down.

I am a sports historian not a lawyer so my knowledge of restraint of trade legislation is based on the Foschini case in 1983 and the Tutty case (Rugby League) in 1979. The law may well have changed since then so I would welcome any criticism or updated information from Legal Nicksters but as I understood Crockett's judgement on Foschini Melbourne cannot force Howe to go Gold Coast rather than Collingwood against his wishes.

This won't happen. While a challenge under restraint of trade would probably be successful it would also invalidate the entire draft/trade system. At present this system exists due all involved (players/clubs) agreeing to abide by it. It just takes one person. One players took down the entire transfer system in world football (Bossman) in the early 90's, similar this could happen here if someone decides to challenge.

This trade will happen (if the player involved is satisfied), just like Beams deal happened, just like the Tippet deal happened and countless other deals.

That was my point, Makri. Precisely because it just takes one person, if Howe threatened to challenge under restraint of trade, the AFL would place Melbourne under enormous pressure to transfer Howe to Collingwood rather than risk losing their whole player transfer system in a negative court ruling.

Ten years before Bossman it only took one club president, Lindsay Fox, to bring down the entire zoning system, which had existed since 1915. For the preceding decade the VFL Clubs had an agreement to keep all player movements out of court. Then St Kilda president Fox broke ranks and backed Silvio Foschini and Paul Morwood in their attempts to move from Sydney to St Kilda. As you said Makri, it only takes one person.

Galbally seems to have an itchy trigger finger when it comes to this issue. He was backing Tippet and was dying to get to court over the issue only for an agreement to be reached at the 11th hour.

[CarringbushCigar]

"Anyone who is not cross-eyed or bandy-legged could be a top player in the T..S..L"

I think the TSL is probably his level.
How did he go down there in the Finals ?
Maybe he is a big-game specialist

Despite the poor crowds the TSL isn't really that bad, AFL Tasmania has made a meal of things of course, but the states talent isn't really that bad. Some haven't really made the big jump to the AFL as some had hoped but a few have. Tim Mohr seemed to be fine for GWS, Lachie Weller, Mav Weller, Aaron Hall have been good for their sides.

During his tenure at Hobart he didn't play finals, as Hobart were one of the weaker sides in the competition before they were forced out in a hostile merger that went wrong.

However, Howe played some good games during a lean period for the Tigers, against some of the better sides he always managed a couple of goals and a good mark. He was pretty good at junior level, clubs around the southern region were quite interest in him.

It was said he was forced to leave Dodges Ferry to even have a chance of going to the AFL, or playing for the Mariners. He did fine stepping up from the SFL which is below the TSL and did well in the state league.

Thank you very much for the information.

So he did ok in the first league for a poor performing club, having done ok and another poor performing club in the 2nd division, having been a pretty good junior.

No wonder Bucks loves him and has some thoughts on his game.
My own thoughts and those of anyone not completely unskilled in talent identification would be:
'Ship the hell off until u become any Bloody good'.

I mean seriously if this wasn't so important it would be a joke.
The whole Bali thing makes it just comical.

Will be playing 2s in 2017 under a new coach.
Take it to the bank.

[Cuthbert Collingwood]

He shall be known as The Great White Howpe

[AN_Inkling]

SO, i take it Howe is now a Magpie ? done and dusted then ? Gee, one whole week,and we got one player so far, yeah, thats reassuring isnt it. !

No, we have not signed any players yet. But excitingly three players have nominated the Pies as the only club they want to go to. This means all three deals will be done.

There are plenty of teams that have not yet picked up a player and none are working on deals as complex as ours, so there's no reason for concern over the time taken. The Hawks for instance have not landed a single player, they have not even had any players nominate them.

[John Wren]

^ i thought every player wanting a trade went to the hawks. what's going on?